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So I started a topic in the furcon community I wanted to direct all you FC artists to. I understand that I may be stepping on a few toes, but given the amount of folks I have talked to about the subject, I think it needed to be addressed.

Your thoughts appreciated =)
http://community.livejournal.com/furcon/90030.html

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xxbalaaxx From: xxbalaaxx Date: April 8th, 2006 10:27 am (UTC) (Link)
mmkays so I dunno what struck me but I doodled a little something for you.

Ummm...and I have no idea why I chose pink..perhaps simply to compliment the insidious cuteness. The original caption idea was "Nobody suspects..a puppy" but I couldn't get it to fit and not look retarded..so here it is just as is.

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doodlesthegreat From: doodlesthegreat Date: April 8th, 2006 02:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
Much SQUEE-ness. =};-3
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: April 8th, 2006 05:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
OMG!!! Thank you so much! That is so unbelievably precious XD *loves loves loves loves* Oh I'm so going to be using this one ;D *clicksaves*

Youre so sweet :>
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doodlesthegreat From: doodlesthegreat Date: April 8th, 2006 02:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
If the con's getting more than 2K, then it's no longer viable to do the hotel alone. Kage faced that with AC, and now the FC planners have to understand that it's their time to make the switch.
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doodlesthegreat From: doodlesthegreat Date: April 8th, 2006 02:31 pm (UTC) (Link)
The biggest problem with expansion is that it requires a LOT of looking and negotiation to find the right space. FC is simply too big to be held at a hotel anymore and like AC is going to have to seriously look into proper convention space. But that has a whole new set of nightmares, as Kage can tell you about. They ended up having to change cities to find what they needed, and I wouldn't be a tad surprised if FC had to make the same decision to increase available area.
From: dani_kitty Date: April 8th, 2006 02:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
Blah..That is really, really discouraging. I was considering FC for 2007, too to sell comics/art -- but they seem even less willing to listen to ideas/concerns than AC!

;.;
doodlesthegreat From: doodlesthegreat Date: April 8th, 2006 02:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
I won't say if it's "unwilling to listen" so much as requiring a complete rethinking of the whole process.
From: spottedsnowcat Date: April 10th, 2006 03:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hey there Thorn,

I totally agree with your delimma. I live on the East Coast and was happy when AC finally opened up and let people get tables in a relatively fair way. I even managed to get a dealer's table, but I did so incredibly poor cuz I'm pretty much unknown. That and I didn't draw blantent porn so... you know, useless right?

Well, I know I'd never be able to go to something like FC, driving/ flying all the way to Cali just to possibly earn back what you already spent? Especially for a newbie to the fandom like me (well, I've been around for awhile, but haven't, I guess, pursued it that much).

I just had a novel idea and I thought you were just the person to bring it to. I was thinking of helping organize an "Online Convention". Crazy, no? As an artist, I don't have a lot of money (artist? money? ha!) and I can't travel to really anywhere just to make a buck or two. Plus as an artist whose been to a couple of cons, I don't really partake in alot of the "congoings" like everyone whose not an artist does. I'm all about the art. If I'm not there, at my table, not doing art, it's not worth my time or money going to a con. At least, that's how I feel. So having an art based online con with artists from all over the world who wouldn't have to travel any farther than their computer at home really kinda appealed to me. Of course I'd want to talk more indepth. But I guess the idea just kinda thunked me in the head really hard and now I can't stop thinking about it. (Usually I wouldn't even be brave enought to write to such a great popular artist, but I guess this idea is making me feel ballsy ^_~).

So what do you think? And if I'm just babbling incoherent nonsense, just let me know. I really could see this turning into something awesome, I just need some help, hell, a lot of help, a lot of backing, and a lot of interest to get this idea out from my head. :3

Char
char.reed@gmail.com ;)
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: April 10th, 2006 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
While I thank you for sharing your idea with me, I think I may be having a hard time understanding exactly what it is you're trying to say? How would this online con be any different than an art related forum where people advertise their commission statuses?
From: spottedsnowcat Date: April 10th, 2006 06:00 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, I guess I have a big vision and articulation really isn't one of my strong points, admittedly. ;3

I realise it sounds just like FurBid or some other online auction house. The main difference, like a con, sales would only happen once a year. Whoever would be able to host the space, would charge artists for the time they'd be there and the space they'd be using, like each artist could buy a GIG of space, or 500MB or something, whatever they think they'll need. I'm sure it would be a lot less the initial expense artists put up for travel, hotel space, con space, food, ect.

Like a con, the artists would have a deadline to submit reservations for the said space. Unlike a con, since it's the internet, the artists get to reap all the benefits, aka no taxes. The amount of artists will probably depend on how much space we can afford. So there still is a real issue of "seating" as it were, the internet is a bit limitless, but there are still pricetags on servers, domain and hosting companies.

We could do some cool stuff like "chat with the artist": IM sessions with the artists (those who wanted to), people could talk directly with them for the span of the weekend. A lot of it, I imagine, would resemble something like DeviantArt or FurAffinity, but there would be direct links to buy prints, artwork, or commissions. I imagine PayPal would play a big part in this and I know they'll be a lot of behind the scene work for people in coding, site design, ect ect.

I hope I'm getting my piont across a little better. I didn't realise I was kinda suggesting another FurBid at first with my initial post. The main differences would be a con-like timetable, sales would take place at this "con" only once a year, just like other cons. I would want to make it more con-like in someways, such as having an "art show" for work ready-to-buy work as opposed to commissions that were created on the spot and maybe even having comedians have special online shows at certain times during the weekend.

Well, of course, just a suggestion. I just don't really know if anyone's ever thought about it before. I realise this is just the tip of an iceburg worth of stuff to consider, such as bandwidth issues, who would be able to host it, international time tables... Lots and lots of stuff. And I wouldn't even consider it before 2007-2008. I was thinking it would be a neat way to allow more upcoming artists into some limelight and have a con really supporting the artists.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: April 10th, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
While it is a good idea in theory, I don't honestly see many artists participating mostly because of the fees and deadlines. The bonus of conventions is that if you get something from someone you don't have to pay shipping and you get it right then and there. With your idea there would be the pain of shipping involved if someone were to order, say, a conbadge.

Also there are the fees. There is really no incentive for the artists to pay for imaginary space when they can just continue internet business as usual without having to pay for it, or to stress themselves over deadlines.

Sorry if I seem like I'm dousing water on your idea, but to me this seems like one of those "works on paper" types of things that once you get the numbers together doesn't make much sense to put together, as it will be more work and money than is raked in.
From: spottedsnowcat Date: April 10th, 2006 06:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yeah, that's true. I guess it was just one of those things that was wow, hey that sounds awesome! Then like you said, I guess it wouldn't make sense for a lot of people to buy space if they're already buying space for their own personal website, Deviantart or whatever. I let the idea by a couple of people and they said it was cool, but it's good to see the more practical side to it too.

Oh well, just a thought, thanks for listening though!
Char
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