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Help help help help!
Ok, so, I'm applying to art college. Yeah I know right, finally! Anyways, I have everything done except my portfolio, and I need help picking pieces for it. The portfolio isn't mandatory but they suggested I submit one anyways and I was planning on it so..yeah.

They require 10-12 pieces of what I consider my best work so far. I've narrowed it down a bit but I can't pick just 10 of them. I met with a trial portfolio reviewer and she was no help..first of all she pronounced "drawing" as "drawLing" (a huge pet peeve of mine that reeks of someone not knowing what theyre talking about), and when shown one of my werewolf pieces she's like "and what exactly makes these werewolves?" I had to say "normal wolves don't have hands and don't walk on two legs...and this one right over here is chewing on human bones..?" o_O so yeah. Not much help there. Still though she wasn't an official reviewer so that makes me feel slightly better.

Here's where you come in. I've set up this poll to include the titles of the peices I've narrowed it down to, simply choose your 10 favorites out of the bunch, ones that you think should definitely be in my portfolio. I've included samples above the poll to help you better match a name with a "face" as it were. I'll put in my portfolio which ones are the most popular. And please..this is for school so think..er..scholastically? XD The poll ends Sunday night as I'm gonna send this thing off first thing Monday morning.

Thanks guys, you're helping me out TONS!

1. The King's MercyThe King's Mercy
2. Bacchus
by *thornwolf on deviantART
3. Fragile Bloodhound Omega commission

4.Lookout Lookout - ACEO

5.Hex Hex

6.Katarina Katarina Birthday Gift

7. La Brea Taur Pits The La Brea TAUR Pits

8.Taj Taj

9. Fat Bottomed ThornFat Bottomed Thorn

10. Astolpho Fatty Astolpho

11. Blue Otter Blue Otter

12. Khalfani Khalfani Badge

13. Gladilion Gladilion ACEO card

14. Kangavroom Kangavroom ACEO card

15. Berserkers
by *thornwolf on deviantART

16. Fishbag (no thumbnail, please click link) http://i42.photobucket.com/albums/e336/LOLThornwolf/fishbag.jpg
17. Still Life (no thumbnail, please click link)
18. Arrow cards (no thumbnail, please click link)

19. Bison Card
Bison - 4 of Hearts
by *thornwolf on deviantART
20. Dino Dragon Dino Dragon ACEO

21. Berry Good Berry Good

Poll #1000502 Art School Portfolio choices

Please select 10 pieces I should include in my portfolio to be submitted to art school

The King's Mercy
La Brea Taur Pits
Fat Bottomed Thorn
Blue Otter

10 pieces, continued (ran out of options)

Still Life
Arrow Cards
Bison Card
Dino Dragon
Berry Good
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 05:34 am (UTC) (Link)
Unfortunately the bison pic isn't very big as the design was made for a playing card, so its about 3X as big as a playing card size, I hope you wouldn't mind a mini print though should you order one :)
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 05:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah I talked to them briefly about furry art, apparently there are quite a few furries that go to SCAD and submit a lot of furry related stuff for their classwork (im going to try to avoid this though, mainly because the reason I'm GOING to artschool is to branch out and do things I wouldn't normally do).

And yes, I'm going for illustration :)

Thanks so much for your help!
steppinrazor From: steppinrazor Date: June 10th, 2007 04:50 pm (UTC) (Link)
Oh man, SCAD... I envy you, I truly do. Good luck (and btw, I've been through one of their portfolio review things with the counselors at the visit day, and yeah, they are pretty lame :F) I hope you get in. I want to go there so bad XD
tania From: tania Date: June 10th, 2007 05:32 am (UTC) (Link)
The ten I chose were:

- King's Mercy
- Hex
- La Brea Taur Pits
- KangaVroom
- Berserkers
- Bison Card
- Dino Dragon
- Berry Good
- Fishbag
- Arrow Cards

I chose those because they show your range (from detailed realism through to inks through to shaded graphite through to bold, poster-like cartoony colours). I also aimed to screen out any content that could be considered too shocking to a puritan, and (I'm sad to say) anything too overtly 'furry'. There are people who will hold your background as a furry artist against you. It happened to me at Disney.

From what I see here, your portfolio is going to look awesome. :) Good luck with your app!
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 05:39 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks so much for your vote :)

And yeah a lot of these are what I already showed them at the school and oddly the "oddness" of it never came up, actually the reviewer really liked Fat Bottomed Thorn o_O

I dunno, some people can appreciate whimsy and others can't I suppose. It kind of bothers me to think that an art school would turn someone away based on their artwork being "strange". I guess Salvador Dali would have been a total reject XD

I can see Disney doing that though because they primarily deal with animal people and from what I hear their main concern is not that you are a person that draws it, but you might partake in communities that draws porn of their characters...as is the furry way of course 9_9 That was a rumor I heard though, which kind of made sense even if it isn't true.
tania From: tania Date: June 10th, 2007 06:04 am (UTC) (Link)
Dunno about the motivation, but I know for a fact Disney used to bin portfolios that were mostly furry or anime. I also know that one of the reviewers got a hate-on for me after working out I was a furry. The entire time I was at Disney she watched me, and at one point found my Livejournal and reported me for talking about my job in there. A couple of years after I left, I found a bitchy post about me from her in a thread on SomethingAwful.

I don't agree with the bias against furry art, but I would be irresponsible if I didn't save someone else going being put through the wringer over it.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:10 am (UTC) (Link)
Thanks <:) I really appreciate it. I don't plan on working for the mouse anytime soon though, if I did it would only be to bulk up my resume. I have no desire but eh...ya never know. I'm sure there are other companies that are like that as well.
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:43 am (UTC) (Link)
very true. I guess if I were an art school official it would cramp my style if there were people graduating from my school drawing nothing but Babs Bunny porn telling everyone where they graduated from. *facepalm*

I draw furry art cuz its fun for me and I haven't had much of a reason to branch out, and coincidentally the /non/ furry things I've been asked to do have been animal related :P But I want to go to art school to learn how to be the best artist I can be rather than the best furry artist I can be, so I'm going to use that opportunity.
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edge_chan From: edge_chan Date: June 10th, 2007 05:47 am (UTC) (Link)
there i vote for my favourites. Good luck on the portfolio :>
katarina42 From: katarina42 Date: June 10th, 2007 06:19 am (UTC) (Link)
I do really love the piece that you did for me, but I thought it might be a little "furry" compared to some of the others I chose. If you do end up using it, I suspect you'll really need me to get around to scanning the original, eh? *adds that to to-do list*
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:36 am (UTC) (Link)
Yeah the reason I included it was because I don't have very many pieces that show my figure drawing. I lost all my figure drawings, I don't know where they went! But I agree it is a might furry. Ah wells. We'll see how things go, if its in the top 10 I'll definitely need a scan, but I'd like one anyways for my own files :3 Thank you!
buhhhfaluffalo From: buhhhfaluffalo Date: June 10th, 2007 06:26 am (UTC) (Link)
I selected ones pretty similar to tania's choices, going by what I'd probably submit. A good range is uhh...good (i'm an illustration major, not an english major bleh D:). I went by what I think my professors at SVA would appreciate; a few simple pieces, a few really detailed ones, and different mediums. And at least one still life. D: Ugh, still lifes.

Although it really depends on the reviewer, sadly. My drawing prof had a vendetta against cats, so if you included cats in an assignment, he'd automatically give you a bad grade. D: But my painting prof looooved my "cartoon animals" and told me I had "a reeeeeal sense of huuuumourrrr."

Best of luck, from a random watcher x.x
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:35 am (UTC) (Link)
omg i love your username XD And thank you, it especially helps to get input from people who have attended/are currently attending school since you guys know what they look for (generally anyways).

And jeeze, I'm not fond of cats either but I can admit when something is done well, subject matter or not D: What a jerk!

Thanks for your vote :)
artonis From: artonis Date: June 10th, 2007 07:37 am (UTC) (Link)
I tried to pick stuff that shows of your range of abilities best, and prevented furry stuff as much as possible.
I'm pretty sure "furry" is not a seal of quality in the professional art world. I'm also pretty certain art reviewers for art schools have little to no sense for humor.
doc_halfmoon From: doc_halfmoon Date: June 10th, 2007 12:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, ... I selected those ones that show different themes:

- bison card
- the king's mercy
- Berserkers
- gladilion
- la brea taur pits
- etc ...

... and the still life (common, but helpful I think)
anyway everyone of these works is awesome! =D
good luck! =)

tell me: which and where's this art college?
chlorophyta From: chlorophyta Date: June 10th, 2007 01:17 pm (UTC) (Link)
I voted for nine, and I'm torn between 'lookout' and 'hex' for the tenth. I think the colors in hex are spectacular, my only hesitation in suggesting that one is... entirely my fault because the character is really weird. XD

I think either would make a good choice, though. And I'd be happy to give explanations for my other choices or why I didn't vote on others, just ask. ^__^
visioncrafter From: visioncrafter Date: June 10th, 2007 01:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
1,2,14,15,17, and 21 are my favorites of the bunch. I think they show a nice range of your work and mediums and in my opinion are some of the most successful illustration wise. I also like 8,9, and 2. I'm not sure the card/badge sized pieces will do quite as well, but who knows! Good luck with putting everything together and like Nevar if you'd like any explanation on my choosing what pieces just ask :)
danthedragon From: danthedragon Date: June 10th, 2007 02:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I also voted on things that showed a wide variety and were less "furry" like most others. Though I suggest doing some sketches of animals or people at the zoo to show off your life drawing skills if you don't currently have any pieces availabe to show them. Though I speak only from experience of the CSUF traditional animation department. I'm not sure about what illustrator teachers want to see.
autumn_sunrise From: autumn_sunrise Date: June 10th, 2007 03:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'd agree with what most were saying in to try to stay away from those that were most "furry" of the group. When I went to college, the things they looked for in my portfolio were the life drawings and the still life works. What they really wanted to know was that you had the skill to draw from what you could see, that you understood the basics. Despite the fact that illustration was my major, they wanted to know that I grasped reality before going into the fantastical or stylized.

I think you could build a great portfolio from what you have there! You show various types of media, which is a plus, and your knowledge of color as well as value in black and white pieces. Basically I voted for most of the same stuff that Tanya did. XD

Best of luck for you in your college search!! :D
huskie666 From: huskie666 Date: June 10th, 2007 03:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
I thought for a portfolio, the work had to be from the last 2 years or so and -had- to be mostly drawings from life? o.o If this werent so i would be in art college now -.-
I fucking hate UMD.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
They never said any specific dates, I showed them both old and new stuff and they seemed to like a mixture of all of it, and nope. They told me to include what I draw normally. They even said figure drawing sketches weren't necessary o_O I found that odd, but eh, just going by what they told me.
rehgan From: rehgan Date: June 10th, 2007 04:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
Go go silent stalker! I like to watch silently for your art, usually, but this is important so, time to wiggle out of the woodwork.

Particularly to say, you HAVEN'T gone to art school? OY! Inspiring that you're using so much anthro art; my art teacher keeps beating it into my head that I can't do that. Ugh.
Had a lot of art college speakers come in this school semester to give us a heads up about the schools and portfolios; I can't say much, but you definitely want to include Katarina for figure drawing purposes, as well as Fish Bag and Still Life, because art colleges always like to see the still life stuff, from what I've been told.
Voted mostly based on composition and color/medium usage, but I kind've hope one of your more cartoony pieces(Fat Bottomed Thorn, Berry Good) win in the vote, because I think it'd be choice to have an example of that in there.

Whatever you choose(er, ah, wins), s'gonna be a great portfolio, Miz Thorn!
kylet From: kylet Date: June 10th, 2007 04:42 pm (UTC) (Link)
Not that I know anything about applying to art school, but I always hear them say life drawing is one of the most essential parts. While you've got a good range here (and the vote so far pretty well reflects the ones I chose), I really think you should include 1) more human stuff, and 2) more loose, sketchy stuff. Your Thorn Doodles books are full of images that, while certainly not polished and illustration-like, seem a lot more "academic". Drawings of you, drawings of character designs, some real-life studies, and, er, a few more humans. NEKKID HYOOMANS.
But like I said, I'm only going by hearsay, I've never actually TRIED making a portfolio. So best of luck, and I must say this is a nice little rundown of the past few years of your best works.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:24 pm (UTC) (Link)
I asked them at the school "what about figure drawings" and they told me the portfolio should show finished pieces that show my interests. I dunno, every other place I applied with said otherwise but I'm just following their advice. Besides, I lost all my figure drawings in a flood. :(

They also said they didn't want sketches at all. I know, I asked, I even brought my Thorn Doodles to show and they said they don't want to see sketches, that some schools encourage it but they don't get much from looking at our process. *shrugs*
wtfbingo From: wtfbingo Date: June 10th, 2007 05:05 pm (UTC) (Link)
Do you have anything with the human figure in it? That's the only thing that I think your portfolio would NEED. The rest is pretty solid stuff.

Good luck! I loved art school and I'm sure you will, too!

nesting From: nesting Date: June 10th, 2007 05:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
pick a wide range of your drawing/artistic abilities. I would absolutely include those still lives you did because they are the only pieces you have here that are not figurative.
art school is expensive, make sure you have a feasible way to pay for it before you jump into it...
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
My parents as a trade off between me going away and never seeing them again offered to pay for art school so I'll stick around. Thats what I wanted to do in the first place, so hopefully it works out :)
nesting From: nesting Date: June 10th, 2007 06:09 pm (UTC) (Link)
wow, what an amazing opportunity! That's great.
doodlesthegreat From: doodlesthegreat Date: June 10th, 2007 06:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I picked the still life images because you do need to show a range. I would try to do some humans as well.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 06:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
I asked them at the school "what about figure drawings" and they told me the portfolio should show finished pieces that show my interests. I dunno, every other place I applied with said otherwise but I'm just following their advice. Besides, I lost all my figure drawings in a flood. :(
henchman409 From: henchman409 Date: June 10th, 2007 06:30 pm (UTC) (Link)
I would include the still life because art schools really, REALLY like to see you drawing from life. When I went through the portfolio review process, the drawings they were most interested in were life drawings. If you have the time, you might want to put in some humans, again preferably life drawings. (They don't have to be nekkid, just rope your family or friends into sitting still for fifteen minutes.)

I think you have a very strong portfolio, and I would be shocked as hell if you didn't get in.
henchman409 From: henchman409 Date: June 10th, 2007 06:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
One more thing, then I'm done. A lot of people seem to like the Berry Good picture, but I personally wouldn't include it since it's just a vignette with no background. :d I remember they got on me for that. Still got accepted, though, and my portfolio suuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuucked compared to what you have here. There was like no color work, and man, could I not draw at ALL back in high school. XDDDDDD So, again, I think you have an excellent shot not only at getting in, but also for picking up some shweet scholarship money.
xxbalaaxx From: xxbalaaxx Date: June 10th, 2007 07:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I love the whole conversation with the portfolio reviewer. Oh yeah she should totally be the one reviewing portfolios and holding people's lives in her hands 8D! You know usually I get the other responce..not what makes it a werewolf..but..why does 'insert animal here'...walk upright or have other humanish features? And..you ar not alone with your pet peeve >____>.

In anycase, poll done and now just here to send my best wishes :). (oh and if you did manage to snag panel space for AC and still wanted to send something,my offer to agent still stands :) )
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 07:23 pm (UTC) (Link)
aw thanks :) Nah I completely spaced and didn't request panel space in time, I don't think there's any room left anyways. Ah well :3
stokerbramwell From: stokerbramwell Date: June 10th, 2007 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I made my selections.

Do you have anything with humans, though? Sometimes people can get a little iffy about furry art, especially if a portfolio is predominately furry.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: June 10th, 2007 07:28 pm (UTC) (Link)
all my figure drawings are A: older than a lot of these pieces here and B: got destroyed in a garage flood (along with a lot of my books..boo). I talked to them and they said they prefer finished work anyways. I told them most schools I applied at/had my portfolio reviewed at required figure drawing, they said they get little from sketches and would rather see finished stuff, and it helps in my case that I have a theme: animals. So..*shrugs* I dunno! Just going by what they tell me o_O
stokerbramwell From: stokerbramwell Date: June 10th, 2007 07:32 pm (UTC) (Link)
Well, they would know better than I!
_graywolf_ From: _graywolf_ Date: June 10th, 2007 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
Best of luck to you! You'll do great!!!
_graywolf_ From: _graywolf_ Date: June 10th, 2007 07:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
Also, I couldn't make a selection.. I have looked and looked and just can't come to a conclusion.

However, if it's anything like Dutch Art Academy and such they want to see the possibility of growth. You have a very versatile styling to yourself, and even though they did ask for your best pieces, I would include a couple older ones as well, since they will convey that growth very well, and show how much you've changed and can possibly still change.

Hope this helps! I would second the idea of including a one or two figure drawings... no matter their age
zzyllo From: zzyllo Date: June 10th, 2007 11:59 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heya hon, gave it my best shot, based upon what my professors have told me... I wish you so much luck!

shoomlah From: shoomlah Date: June 11th, 2007 06:24 am (UTC) (Link)
A note that I toootally fergot to click on Fat-bottomed Thorn. I think simply because I was blown away by its sheer awesome.
ruggels From: ruggels Date: June 11th, 2007 07:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I looked over the list and picked items that I thought would be goo submissions pieces. I pickled 8. Because the character badges I don't think are suitable material for a serious submission, and the thing I see lacking is ANY life drawing, The still life pieces aren't bad, but you need more of this material. Also most of the gifures are facing to the viewer's left. You need a more wide variety of attitudes and directions as well. I also tried not to pick things that were too furry. Hope this helps.

dustwing From: dustwing Date: June 12th, 2007 04:11 am (UTC) (Link)
You've allready made your choice, and that's good, but- you really, really, really need to do some gesture drawings of hyoomans, still life tonal drawings, that sort of thing. In my portfolio that ended up working, I limited the fantasy to 25% or less of the whole, and included as much variation as I could (In short I brought sculpture, fibers, ink, digital, pencil, charcoal, acrylics and oils from 8x10 to 24x30inch canvases, watercolor/colored pencil, a abbreviated list of my more important clients and an honor roll/AP set of grades)

Remember the idea is not just to get in, but to get in with school sponsored scholarships! I think you're at a level much higher than I was when I applied, so honestly the only thing holding you back is variation and if you did some mostly finished sketches to include of mundane, easily recognisable subjects it would do you a world of good.
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