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Quitting Yerf
Ok. I gotta say something.

Over three weeks ago I wrote Dingo, owner of Yerf.com an email resigning from my position as moderator and requesting that mine and silber's galleries be pulled from the site (Phil requested this as he has no use for Yerf and hasn't for quite some time). I have to this day, not received a reply.

My reason for quitting was partly because I had enough of the internal drama that went on as is bound to happen in any forum and because honestly I feel there is no hope for the site coming back and no longer wished to associate myself with a site that is run by someone who doesn't seem to care. Not to mention I feel I've "outgrown" the site. Most of my humor wouldn't be allowed on Yerf because of the content and very possibly because its lack of polish, I also noticed the strangely recent crackdown on non-pornish butts and naked but completely nipple-less boobs which were previously allowed.

Years of service trying to help Yerf, keep things in order, try to dispell rumors that Yerf wasn't ever coming back (in the beginning, admittedly after awhile my patience and my hope started to deteriorate) and I'm still not worth the site owner's time to take 5 minutes and answer my email.

I kept politely (key word here) reminding him via LJ (since emails don't work anyways) and he continued to ignore me along with the offers of other coders and knowledgable folks who could help bring the site back. Finally when I asked him again he told me, to "deal". Real professional, that one.

I've dedicated time to help that site and this is the thanks I get?

So, I'm pulling my gallery and so is silber, but it looks like we're not alone.

If you wish to pull your gallery from Yerf, since at this point its apparent the site is NEVER coming back, please see this link and post your wishes regarding your gallery.


It's time to face it. The site's never coming back, and if they cared about the artists who basically make up the whole site as well as the generous folks who donated money to fix the site, they would answer our questions instead of ignoring us.

Oh and before anyone goes and starts pointing fingers, I'd like to note that I hold Dingo personally responsible for all this. Have fun hoarding your site. With your higher standards, good luck finding interested applicants, and with your artists leaving, good luck having much to show for it.

Thornwolf, out.

Current Mood: angry fed up

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gab From: gab Date: October 8th, 2006 05:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
I might be the only one who wants it to come back, simply because it was a great archive. I don't even care if we get to post in it anymore. I just love looking back and seeing everyone's art.

Man, and with people pulling their galleries... aw. :(
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: October 8th, 2006 05:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
id like that too but unfortunately at this point i dont think its gonna happen, the guy cant even answer an email. =/
altonwings From: altonwings Date: October 8th, 2006 05:38 pm (UTC) (Link)
What really bugs me is that all of this could be so *easily* averted had Dingo simply been open about what the problems were, open to accepting help from qualified people, and honest with the projections of running things.

He has so insulated himself behind a mob of yes-men who will kiss his ass and tell him how great he is that he cannot even see what is going on. (Gee, does that sound like another familiar person I read about on CNN lately?) This is the end result of years of poor management, poor maintenance, and a lack of true leadership to ensure the site would remain current to the fan base. Once you have artists jumping ship, it's really just a matter of how long he wants to watch it die.

Slowly and painfully, if current behaviors are continued.
xianjaguar From: xianjaguar Date: October 8th, 2006 07:21 pm (UTC) (Link)
I *SO* agree with you.
From: dani_kitty Date: October 8th, 2006 05:43 pm (UTC) (Link)
Such a shame, really!

Oh well, I honestly do think the time of an archive like Yerf and even Artvark (by the lack of activity) has largely past. (And honestly, I don't miss the drama either!)

The fandom at large seems to want somewhere they feel welcomed to join in (for better or worse, and unfortunately -- often worse) interact with the artists they like, instead of simply sitting back and appeasing the artists. FA provides that, as well as the popular "+fav" feature so that they can archive what pieces they do like.

As I've told you before, I owe yerf for a LOT of the friends I've made in the fandom -- people I don't think I ever would have met/interacted with otherwise. But FA has again proved that there were lots of other really awesome people I was missing out on by sticking close to Yerf. Catch-22?

I dunno. I think it's best if the site is just left down at this point, and allowed to die a graceful death. This way the users and artists can properly mourn it, and move on.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: October 8th, 2006 05:48 pm (UTC) (Link)
I agree, and I did owe Yerf a lot for the friends and help its given me with my art, but I feel I've repaid that by modding for it, posting artwork, and contributing to the community. My debt is paid and I'm moving on.
crypticvitality From: crypticvitality Date: October 8th, 2006 05:53 pm (UTC) (Link)
Hmmm, This doesn’t sound promising at all! I haven’t had the chance to make a gallery on Yerf. I only just discovered it some month’s back, maybe even a year ago now. I check on the site here and there when I remember to see if they are accepting art again. I’ve even posted questions on the forum to the matter of "when will Yerf be accepting new artists?" is seems they keep giving me the run around. I didn’t realize the extent to their problems. I was hoping to get exposure with some of my new arthro work, but I suppose after seeing this, It might be best just to stay away from the site. *shrugs* Oh well…
maggock From: maggock Date: October 8th, 2006 05:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
I know how you feel. Good Lord do I ever know how you feel! I'm getting more than a little fed up with Yerf's current conditions, unfortunately. It's so sad too, because Yerf was the first gallery I found that really forced artists to improve; I don't think I'd be nearly as good today if I'd never found Yerf. :/ So it goes, que sera, sera.

I don't think I'll pull my gallery if Yerf ever comes back up though, it's a nice bit of history. ;) I definitely regret pulling my first VCL gallery because I no longer have that hilariously horrendous art.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: October 8th, 2006 05:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
ah thats the only reason i have my VCL gallery still up, but as for my Yerf stuff I /do/ have it somewhere fortunately =) so I can understand.
teekachu From: teekachu Date: October 8th, 2006 06:06 pm (UTC) (Link)
I was one of the "Hopefuls" from years and years ago who just realized one day that she'd never really be "skilled enough" to get on Yerf. That didn't really bother me. It was a great place to go for quality art, and I'm pretty picky about what I like to save and look at later. But really, the elitism and all the drama associated with it... it's just time to shoot the old broken horse. It's been down for years now, with no real sign of coming back.

Good luck, Thornwolf. Hope ya don't mind...you're a friend of so many of my friends that I just went ahead and added you :D
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: October 8th, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
dont mind at all! Please don't feel offended if I don't friend you back, as stated on my user info everything's public, and truth be told I actually do check out the journals of people who watch me and pop in from time to time XD

But yeah there was too much drama and not enough art. who needs it D:
martes From: martes Date: October 8th, 2006 06:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'm just irked because nothing equivilent to Yerf has taken it's place. VCL is 'okay,' and Furaffinity seems to have not only a tremendous ammount of crap, but a navigation system i can't figure out. And I have not the faintest clue how to go about setting up a Deviant art archive. *sighs*
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: October 8th, 2006 06:10 pm (UTC) (Link)
Honestly the way I navigate FC I barely even "browse". I just ask the artists I know I like what their FA gallery name is, and watch the people they watch and look through their faves and watch those people. Its a lot easier that way.

DA..god its been forever since I applied there I can't remember but I'm sure they added many more bells and whistles since I joined. It is a rather complex site =/
eonii From: eonii Date: October 8th, 2006 06:40 pm (UTC) (Link)
Wow, Dingo's really been being an ass about this. "Deal?" real mature there. :C

I think it's kind of . . . annoying that they cracked down on tasteful nudity too. From what I remember of yerf (ha!) that made up quite a bit of it.

I'll miss having a quality-controlled furry site, though. Yeah, there's ArtVark, but their apps are never open and from a look at the forum, the community leaves something to be desired.
drake_anaya From: drake_anaya Date: October 8th, 2006 06:49 pm (UTC) (Link)
The thing about ArtVark's lack of community could be fixed if people actually... started to use it. :) But I understand what you're saying there.
From: lmai Date: October 8th, 2006 07:12 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think Yerf should have been put to rest after the first crash honestly. I loved yerf, dont get me wrong, it was the first place I ever viewed furry artwork and gave me inspiration for my artwork. But once It crashed and I started getting involved in the furry fandom, and finally joined the Yerf Forums, I began to become dissapointed in yerf. It's nice to have standards on what type of quality work to allwo to be posted. But in all honesty? I think the application system was becomming a little too elitist.

It did offer the ability to improve and gave pointers on what needed to be improved on in an individuals artwork, but someone can only be turned down so many times before they give up and go to a place where they feel their artwork is actually appreciated for what it is. I also noticed that alot of times people were turned down for their general style of drawing, as if it didnt fit in with the genre. Kind of disheartening honestly.

But I think it's for the best that Yerf goes down into furry history. It was good while it lasted and I'm sure everyone has fond memories. It's just sad that it had to end this way for the artists by being ignored and told to 'deal' rather then given an explanation or something a little more..meaty. Because of that attitude, if yerf did miraculously did come back, I see alot of people vanishing from it and ignoring it purely because of the attitude shown towards them and their hardwork and dedication they had given the site previously.

besides! I can fav and watch your artwork on FA ^.^
xianjaguar From: xianjaguar Date: October 8th, 2006 07:25 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think your post pretty much sums up how a lot of us feel.
Of course, I think Yerf went downhill years ago...back when the quality-control got out of hand and certain people starting getting overly-elitist bad attitudes. Like you said, Yerf isn't a job, it's just a *furry* archive.
trufflehog From: trufflehog Date: October 8th, 2006 07:47 pm (UTC) (Link)
it really is a shame because yerf was THE place i visited online when i was a kid. middle schoo age. i would just sit there and go through gallery after gallery (huskie was my favorite for the longest time!) and planned on applying when i got older and a little better. but damn, its such a shame a place i loved visitng when i was younger has gone so far downhill.

vcl...doesn't do it for me and fa is filling up with bad yiff art so fast that its almost caught up to vcl. its a real shame artvark never took off :/
trufflehog From: trufflehog Date: October 8th, 2006 07:56 pm (UTC) (Link)
i just realized...i said 'its a shame' three times in that post. what.
tugrik From: tugrik Date: October 8th, 2006 08:52 pm (UTC) (Link)
So this is how Yerf ends. To thunderous LJ drama!

Sorry, couldn't resist. :)
From: kilojara Date: October 8th, 2006 09:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
*jumps ship and drowns*

What you and most people have said here pretty much sums up my feelings on the subject. Yerf is dead to me. :|
xothia From: xothia Date: October 8th, 2006 10:48 pm (UTC) (Link)

I made an entry a while back that this whole Yerf thing is like beating a dead horse.

Dunno if I'd bother asking for my gallery removed since I doubt the site will ever be up again, and I don't care either way.

Honestly, the second Dingo had his nervous breakdown, then refused to let anyone else take over, I knew it was a lost cause. And on top of all this crap, taking *people's MONEY* and still holding some arbitrary, strict standards of bullcrap while not actually fixing anything. I think all that money is a write-off, as well as everyone's galleries unfortunately.

Really, how hard can it be to put the site back up? It's all just a bunch of ego-driven stupidity.

Someone needs to make a site with reasonable standards, a similar layout for the forums, and allow/invite all the old Yerf artists to join up. I mean, how hard can it be to program a straight string of recents, no comments or fizz, just pic after pic with short descs.

We could call it Frey! Or the RTAC, the Really Tidy Anthro Cache. The mascot could be a fox with a book farting out the word FREY!

And dammit, for god's sake, allow sculptures on this one! :P
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