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Got Critique?
I did this before and it was pretty cool and got some interesting results. I'm feeling in an artsy critique mode right now so if you would like my opinion on your general art style and/or to comment on where you need work, please post a link to your gallery or a couple pieces here and I'll comment with something I feel needs improvement. No redlines though, as those take time and I'm really not up to drawing anything atm =/

As a follow up I'll open another post for the same so you guys can critique my stuff. Fair's fair, and I could really use the input.

Some ground rules:
-Not for the faint of heart. I don't like to sugar coat things. You will get an honest, brutal critique if I feel the need arises but note that I won't go "omg you suck!" that's just ...well..mean ;P
-No flaming or anything, I do this because people say they like it when I do, so this isn't some power trip, it's back by request
-I'll leave this post open for awhile but I will post an edit later when I've decided to end the offer.

So yeah, comment if interested =)

*edit*Okay guys no more! Thanks for all who commented but I need to wade through these first and then go vote today =)
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trufflehog From: trufflehog Date: November 7th, 2006 07:38 am (UTC) (Link)
Ohh. I wouldn't mind one. luve.deviantart.com.

I'm more curious to compare your opinions to some of my professors...because I'm starting to see a pattern and probably need to work on some specific things. Like branching out :p
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 07:42 am (UTC) (Link)
Goshdarnit you just had to be the first one didn't you? So hard! You're like, one of my top 10 favorite artists!

Okay, looking through your gallery I notice one major thing: lack of contrast. You have a lot of really good tentative lighting there but in some cases it could even be pushed more. And in the case of color, maybe even play around with more saturated colors. I really like the muted tones of your drawings, I think that's what gives them the storybook charm, but even in beatrix potter books the colors are a bit more vibrant with harder shadows when appropriate.

PS: your stuff has changed /so/ much over the years. When I re-found you I couldn't believe I was looking at the same person's art!
sabarika From: sabarika Date: November 7th, 2006 07:49 am (UTC) (Link)
Ooh, I'm such a whore for critique and commentaries. Would you mind going through my gallery? I'd love to get some opinions...I've been out of the art loop for so long I barely hear feedback because people don't realize I'm still around. ;.;
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:06 am (UTC) (Link)
The thing I've noticed for awhile is that you've kind of stagnated with your images. Your anatomy has gotten loads better, so that's how I know when an image was created, based on the anatomical skill, but your coloring is always flat, there's hardly any shading in most of your pieces, and everything's always against a white background, not even a shadow underneath the character (ok, I'm one to talk, but it takes one to know one XD) I liked that one forced perspective one of your character you did though. That took balls.

visioncrafter From: visioncrafter Date: November 7th, 2006 07:52 am (UTC) (Link)
Me? :3 I am always open for critique! ^_^ <3
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:14 am (UTC) (Link)
I like it when you experiment with lighting more. A lot of times your stuff has that flat lighting that is oh so popular amongst "furry" artists. Though I will say since the last time I did this you've improved in subject matter like..a LOT, so...awesome =)
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:01 am (UTC) (Link)
*leans over and tells you 3 feet away* ;P
littlefoxie From: littlefoxie Date: November 7th, 2006 07:56 am (UTC) (Link)
I would love honest critique..
But my only place for my art is FA and I don't know if you would mind going there to view it or not...

but well...i'll give you the link anyways...

thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:18 am (UTC) (Link)
The only problem I have with going to FA for now is the fact that its taking forever to load, however I did get to see some of your art and while you have a good grasp of anatomy, a lot of times the heads are too big, but you have the right idea, just needs a bit more refinement.

Coloring, eh, something I find myself saying to a lot of people is that its really noticeable when you color in lots of different directions, especially if you're trying to achieve a "flat" look. But honestly some shading and texturing would be nice to see.
griffin_bandida From: griffin_bandida Date: November 7th, 2006 07:59 am (UTC) (Link)
I never say no to a honest critique from a great artist :)
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:22 am (UTC) (Link)
Ok something I noticed on your website is that the skill level is all over the place, and then I realized its /probably/ due to the fact that its really noticeable when you use heavy photo reference vs. no photo references. Trying to apply what you learn from photos to your "memory" art is a good start. Like say, copy a photo, then put the photo away and try to draw it from memory. Its a good exercise to help you learn what things look like, also studying the structure of things in the photos is a good idea as well.
justblieve From: justblieve Date: November 7th, 2006 08:07 am (UTC) (Link)
why not. It's been a while since the last one

thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:11 am (UTC) (Link)
Something I notice quite often in your art is that the eyes are often too close together and the muzzles/faces slope downward a little too much.
From: kilojara Date: November 7th, 2006 08:07 am (UTC) (Link)
Well, if you are going to let me critique you... ;P

http://www.artspots.com/users/kilojara ("better" stuff)
http://kilojara16.deviantart.com/ (just more stuff)
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Actually you improve everytime you post something new it seems. I will say this, since I know you have a hard time drawing them, that your canine's muzzles in general tend to be way too short making the character seem very child like when it's not supposed to. The main image I see this in is that flaming vixen with the card. I LOVE that pic but her muzzle's too short.
saitenyo From: saitenyo Date: November 7th, 2006 08:24 am (UTC) (Link)
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:37 am (UTC) (Link)
Ok you win because you have a Black Adder icon. *loves that show*

Something I've noticed for awhile is sometimes your species are unidentifiable. I notice a certain TLK influence in your art and a lot of times your canines have very leonine attributes. Also the big ears, while a stylistic choice I'm sure tend to further confuse me when it comes to guessing what species it is.

I'd also suggest experimenting with different body types, as sometimes its hard to tell genders with your characters since the men are waify and the girls are a little more like the guys you draw :O
reyfox From: reyfox Date: November 7th, 2006 08:25 am (UTC) (Link)
Maybe this will inspire me to start drawing again some time before Christmas. My DA gallery could use the hits:


I might be too sheepish to reciprocate though...
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 08:38 am (UTC) (Link)
A common theme I notice in your art is that the upper half of your characters are too long in comparison to their short legs, even if its not digitigrade. I'd suggest working on proportions a bit. =)
camelai From: camelai Date: November 7th, 2006 09:06 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh me! I would *love* to get some critique from you! My site is at http://ucsbsupergirl.googlepages.com/camisden
Most work under "gallery" but my character sheet (which I'm pretty proud of) is under "character info"
My art is very much in flux as I search for a style and work on anatomy.
Critique away!
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 07:33 pm (UTC) (Link)
A lot of your figures are very stiff and rigid. It might be good to practice with more dynamic poses and "lines of action", even some gesture poses to loosen up a bit. =)
From: bluedrake Date: November 7th, 2006 09:31 am (UTC) (Link)

I've been looking every where for good critiques lately..

thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 07:31 pm (UTC) (Link)

Re: I've been looking every where for good critiques lately..

Not much to go on but I notice that you focus a lot on the details of the muscles and less about the underlying structure. There are also a few times where it appears you made up some muscles to match the refined ones you know for sure. I suggest working more with simplified structures, dynamic poses and whatnot before focusing so much on the details.
onyxfyre From: onyxfyre Date: November 7th, 2006 09:33 am (UTC) (Link)
Oh, me please! This might not be the normal style you critique, but I would love to see what you think! http://arabtail.deviantart.com
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 10:09 am (UTC) (Link)
Well its hard to really get a good idea of your art since your gallery is mostly photos but the best thing I can suggest is to take what you learn from photos and apply them to your freehand drawings. I notice a distinct difference between images copied from photos and those drawn from your head, namely in the back legs of one of the colts you drew were way far out behind him.
steppinrazor From: steppinrazor Date: November 7th, 2006 09:38 am (UTC) (Link)
I would love one, but I see you're already kinda slammed with requests XD

Just if you have time, tytoalba.deviantart.com :)
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 07:51 pm (UTC) (Link)
Actually considering your gallery mostly consists of that big headed odd eyed character of yours its kind of hard to say, but from where I'm sitting it looks like you could practice more with coloring, since the few colored pieces I do see are kinda messily flatly colored without shading or uniform strokes. Hope that helps a little :O
lemonfruitpie From: lemonfruitpie Date: November 7th, 2006 09:43 am (UTC) (Link)
Please hit me! :O<3

http://lemonfruitpie.deviantart.com/ all my arts
http://us.vclart.net/vcl/Artists/S-Liao/ anthro stuff only

Wasn't sure what kinda subjects you were looking to review, hence the two links :3
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: November 7th, 2006 07:58 pm (UTC) (Link)
I think you could benefit from some lighting experimentation. I notice you tend to add yellow on top of things to indicate lighting but it ends up turning it green or in some cases just being the same tone as the rest of the image. Making the paint thicker so it coats more opaquely could help so you have a difference between what is definitely lit and what is not. Yellow is just an addition of a color, but if you add a white core to the yellow spots it makes it look light.

Btw your watercolored (?) pictures are gorgeous. That painted dog pic..omg..yay!
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