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"I'd like to buy it but I have no money" - The art of Thornwolf
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"I'd like to buy it but I have no money"
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thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 11th, 2010 07:01 pm (UTC) (Link)
This is usually the action I take, but there's always that little voice in the back of my head that says to me "your prices are unreasonable, you should really lowball yourself for the sake of others". I know this is not necessarily right (for myself anyways) but it still nags, yanno?

And as my stepmom says, there's never such thing as "spare" cash lol! But yeah I get what you mean ;)
xothia From: xothia Date: February 11th, 2010 07:08 pm (UTC) (Link)
Heh, yeah.

Well, for what it counts, I think you often way undersell yourself, so you shouldn't take it personally at all. I find that a trend in the furry industry, too. People sell stuff for way under what it's worth.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 11th, 2010 07:13 pm (UTC) (Link)
Thank you, and you're right, I very likely do. Unfortunately it seems a trend in furry, as you said. This is why I usually just end up offering things I CAN do for cheap, like those minis and certain styles of badges and stuff, but as a result many folks don't see a lot of what I /can/ do and think I'm just limited to those.

If folks want to approach me with a larger piece I'm fine with that, but they should realize that I will charge my time/material's worth. Since I rejoined FA I've been getting a lot of people requesting things and expecting full paintings like my sea turtle and all of my lions for like, 80 bucks. It was a real wake up call because I haven't been as exposed to the spending habits of furries for 3 years, and now that I'm back I'm getting an overview of what is expected, and noticing that there's a lot of artists who WILL do it for that cheap, which I admit, I do take a little personally even though I really really shouldn't. It's just overwhelming I guess.

If it is something i GENUINELY want to do and I feel I could make a killing on print sales, I might do it for cheaper but more often than not it's just not in the cards.

xothia From: xothia Date: February 11th, 2010 07:19 pm (UTC) (Link)
I getcha. I stopped selling commissions because they take about 10$ in materials (sculptures) and sometimes 25-30 hours (or more) of work, and you simply can't make that up.

Your involved pictures are amazing, and even if you were to settle on 10$ an hour, which is pathetic for a refined skill, you STILL might not make your money back. Me, there's no hope. I'm slow as heck.

It's sad. I'm not blaming anyone, it's just discouraging as an artist to feel dispensable and undersold.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 11th, 2010 07:26 pm (UTC) (Link)
I've actually encountered this in "the real world" as well. People see our work and they don't know how much training and time goes into it. They figure:

-That since it's fun for us, it's not really work and therefore we don't mind doing it for less or for free
-We're born with the talent at it's current level of skill so it required no work or refining on our part
-The material costs will be eaten by us and they'll just pay for the labor because we have this stuff on hand all the time anyways
-If you're a student then you are not a professional and can be taken advantage of for your time
-People with our skills are a dime a dozen and identical, they'll just find someone cheaper (which sadly, they usually can)

It's depressing to know that it's not just in furry but it's all about standing your ground and educating people. I had one client who literally thought all of these things (on top of asking me to steal images from the internet to avoid stock photo fees, yike! He didn't know better) and I kept him in tune with my processes and showed him how long stuff took me and what prices are typical for the industry and that he was actually getting a screaming deal by going with me, though I wasn't underselling myself for my experience level, and he eventually understood and became more knowledgible in the ways of freelance graphic design. So, if I can help to shed light on these misconceptions one client at a time, I consider it a job well done!

synnabar From: synnabar Date: February 11th, 2010 08:55 pm (UTC) (Link)
Yes yes yes! I get this all the time in the real world, too - between stuff at my RL jobs, and when people approach me for free illustrations for their books/friend/of their pet/kid, etc.

Great points.
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 11th, 2010 08:57 pm (UTC) (Link)
My uncle did this to me a couple of days ago and when I said I'm freelance and therefore have no time to do work for free he accused me of not having the "Entrepreneurial gene" and saying that my dad has it but obviously I didn't get it.

Yeah. My dad gets a steady paycheck. He does this stuff in his /free time/.
synnabar From: synnabar Date: February 11th, 2010 10:15 pm (UTC) (Link)
I'll happily do stuff for free for my mom, dad, siblings, and close friends, but there's a point where you just have to say no (unfortunately! I would do stuff for free for everyone out there if I could).

And ???what??? You are FREELANCING. How is THAT not being an entrepreneur???
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 11th, 2010 10:16 pm (UTC) (Link)
My uncle is strange.

He wanted me to build websites which I don't know how to do, for products I'm really just...really against...hell I'll just write this up separately, gimme a few XD
spiffystuff From: spiffystuff Date: February 12th, 2010 12:30 am (UTC) (Link)
:P Sounds like your uncle just wants you to make him money without paying you /:
thornwolf From: thornwolf Date: February 12th, 2010 12:34 am (UTC) (Link)
It's classic "my uncle" behavior, really. My family feels that if I don't openly share/give my artistic talent to them I'm being selfish, money grubbing, and I don't love them. If I spend a week on a project for him (which is how long it would take he said) and don't get paid for it, I'm out that much money. I don't get a steady paycheck, I'm freelance, all I have is my time :P
spiffystuff From: spiffystuff Date: February 12th, 2010 12:59 am (UTC) (Link)
XD Geez. I like helping people out, but like, 10 min to half an hour is reasonable, a WEEK is certainly not! Whenever someone does that, I turn it around - "Will you come over and help me out for a week for free?"
... so far no one's said "Yeah!", not sure what I'd do if that happened XD
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